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Balancing Entrepreneurship and Motherhood with Dr. Danielle Angela
In this episode of the Mom Owned and Operated podcast, Rita Suzanne and Dr. Danielle Angela discuss raising a family, running a business and remembering yourself.
Dr. Danielle Angela is a chiropractor, hypnotherapist and neurosomatic release practitioner. Danielle started her healthcare career while in high school, when she worked in a skilled nursing facility.
Today, Dr. Danielle has over 20 years of experience in the holistic health and wellness industry. After studying business administration and social work at Lindenwood University, Danielle graduated from Logan College of Chiropractic in 2008. In the initial years of practice, Dr. Danielle worked in a multidisciplinary sports medicine center on Logan University’s campus.
While a faculty member, Danielle helped graduates prepare for starting their own businesses. She also began coaching, mentoring and consulting for chiropractic practice owners at that time. After becoming a mother, Danielle left her role as Assistant Director of Sports and Rehabilitation at Logan University and ventured into private practice. Since 2015, Dr. Danielle has offered life and business coaching for female health and wellness entrepreneurs.
Danielle has helped 1000s of chiropractors prepare for entrepreneurship, as well as supported 100s of female business owners to help them achieve greater work-life balance and increased profitability in their practices. Born out of her own struggle to balance motherhood and being a practice owner, Danielle founded Aligned Women in 2017, an organization that teaches female health and wellness practitioners how to build profitable practices without sacrificing being present with their families. It quickly became the fastest-growing business coaching program for female chiropractors.
Today, Dr. Danielle co-hosts the 7th Time’s A Charm podcast and has produced over 300 podcast episodes in the last 8 years. She is a sought-after speaker and has been featured at several notable chiropractic events including The Wave (2018), the first annual Texpo Women’s Summit (2018), the Academy of Midwest Chiropractors (2021), and Mile High XI (2023).
Danielle continues to offer private coaching focused on nervous system trauma healing for entrepreneurs. You can find countless testimonial videos of the results Dr. Danielle’s clients have experienced on her website. In 2024, Danielle’s virtual practice officially crossed the multiple 7-figure mark in revenue, putting her in the top 3% of female entrepreneurs worldwide.
Danielle remains committed to her own personal growth and nervous system healing, while also raising 3 daughters as a single mother.
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Hi, this is Mom Owned and Operated. I'm Rita, suzanne, and today I have my guest Danielle with me. Danielle, I'm so excited to chat with you today. Please tell everyone all about you, your business and your family.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Awesome. Well, thank you so much. Yes, I'm officially Dr Danielle Angela. I know my last name is kind of unusual, but it was my middle name at birth, which I, after my second divorce, transitioned to my legal last name. The legal process is still in process. Um, I am the mom of three kids. They are 13. My middle child is just three days away from her 10th birthday and my youngest is six, so they're kind of a variety of ages. I also have a stepdaughter from my second marriage who's now 21, and she lives on her own, of course, and we stay in contact, even though her dad and I are not together anymore. Yeah, so that's kind of a bit about my family. I have a significant other who also has three kids, so one day we anticipate being married and being, um, you know, step, step parents to each other's children officially, which means I'll have a total of seven children at that time.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Seven. Seven definitely feels like a lot, yeah, yeah, a lot. A little bit about my professional backgrounds. I am a chiropractor by training and credentials. I graduated from chiropractic school in 2008. And, in sort of an odd path I took after school I applied for a residency position that was available at the school that I had graduated from. So I began working alongside my chiropractic professors a week after I graduated.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Talk about imposter syndrome. It was so uncomfortable, but I really loved my job. I was really fortunate to be able to have the position that I did and to even just have a steady salary at that time, because the majority of chiropractors leave chiropractic school and they go off to start their own business. To have the position that I did and to even just have a steady salary at that time, because the majority of chiropractors leave chiropractic school and they go off to start their own business, which, as you know, as most of us know here, starting your own business doesn't necessarily mean that you're getting paid from your own business, especially in the beginning. So I was very fortunate to have that role and I did a lot of things in my position at the university. One of those was helping students to start to think about their own business and what their branding and their marketing would look like. I had no branding and marketing experience. Really. I just I guess I just kind of had like a knack for it. I don't even know, it just happened. So I've advised and helped hundreds, if not thousands, of chiropractors now on starting their business looking at associate contracts, lease agreements, independent contractorships, choosing their logo, their fonts, their brand colors, naming their business all of those things In 2015,. It's kind of a weird. It's weird to tell you like, when did I start my coaching practice? Because I really started trying to get it started in 2014. I think I made a little bit of money in 2015. And I made a little bit more in 2016. It wasn't really until 2017 that I made a significant amount of money, which was roughly $50,000. So take that for what you will. I was kind of starting a business in 2014, but I wasn't making money until 2016 at all. So, that being said, I've been coaching in my own business now for eight years and throughout the beginning few years, I really focused specifically on female chiropractors and that was my background. Eventually, there became a lot of other options for female chiropractors in regard to coaches At the time that I started, I was one of the very, very few, very few female chiropractors who were coaching and as, as like, other people came on the scene, I got kind of bored.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Frankly, I was like, well, this, this was really cool Whenever. I was like one of the very few people doing this. I had started the very first podcast for female chiropractors one of the very few people doing this. I had started the very first podcast for female chiropractors and then, when there were others, I was like I just don't feel that inspired anymore. That was something I really had to wrestle with, because you know, of course, most people would be like, oh, you're just afraid of the competition. It really didn't feel like that to me. I was just like I just don't. I just don't feel like this is as fun and inspiring anymore as it used to be.
Dr. Danielle Angela:So I started to kind of diversify my business and pivot, if you will, although the pivot has felt like a never ending pivot for the last essentially four years. Really, 2020 happened and all of my customers were brick and mortar business owners and that was a very stressful year. It was a very difficult time because they were used to coming to me for support and advice on what to do in their business, and I was making it up as we were going, literally no one knew what we were doing. Some States the chiropractors had to close and other States chiropractors had to close. In other states chiropractors got to stay open. It was a lot. It was a lot and I had already been feeling called to doing other things. So long story short. Now, after the last four years of transition getting divorced, moving to a new home, a new city, all of the things I have refined my coaching practice so that I'm helping service providers charge their worth.
Rita Suzanne:And which is such a, I think, a struggle, having started as a primarily a service provider myself. Yes, I, I remember when I started. I started in 2014. And I knew because when I started, before I started, I was driving to work every single day with my corporate job and I was listening to podcasts and reading blogs and, just based on doing so much research and having my notebook and like doing all of the things and seeing a couple of clients while I was still working in corporate as a web designer, I knew when I finally took the leap that I was not going to start, I was not going to start out under charging Right. So I came in probably charging way, probably middle tier for someone who was brand new Like even in today's market, I probably was charging way more.
Rita Suzanne:So I was charging $2,000 to start at a brand new for a website and back then we're talking 10 years ago back then everybody else was probably starting at around 800, especially if you're new they were starting at six to 800. And I was just like, well, it's you know. In my mind I said this is just I can't. I can't do it because it's so time and labor intensive, so I couldn't do it. So I get that and I wish more women were, were like, would start there. But why do you feel that they start themselves at a, I guess at such a low price initially, like right out of the gate?
Dr. Danielle Angela:Well, that's an interesting question. There's a few things that come to my mind. One is that in the health and wellness industry there's this kind of expectation that you practice the modality, that you practice because you want to help people and that it's not about the money. And people hear that from clients often and then let that mean that they shouldn't make their business about the money. Yet you run a business with the intention of making money. So it sets us up for this like swirly mix of emotions and energetic funk really around trying to run a profitable business without appearing to be about money.
Dr. Danielle Angela:The notion again you know, that health and wellness practitioners should just like do what they do out of the kindness of their heart is not a sustainable business model. Yet in professions like chiropractic and acupuncture and this applies to many others, but I can speak to those two from firsthand experience the primary, or like loudest model of success is a high volume model. So what that means for us is that we see a lot of patients really like as many as possible, but that we're cheap and affordable and that's a really fast path to burning out In fact the burnout rate for female chiropractors is really high.
Dr. Danielle Angela:There was apparently it's kind of been buried. There was apparently one study that was conducted from one chiropractic school in particular this was 2017 or 18, that indicated 80% of their female graduates were no longer practicing five years after graduation and that's not good, because chiropractors take on a lot of student loan debt to finance their education and we're talking like $250,000 and you don't have that paid off. In fact, you've probably. Your balance has only increased in those first five years of practice because you're not making enough money to be paying your $2,000, $3,000 student loan payment each month.
Dr. Danielle Angela:So the balance is increasing with your loans and then you leave the profession Again, not something that really motivates people to go to chiropractic school, right, so nobody wants to talk about that, but that's just within the chiropractic profession. That is something that we see also in education Lots and lots of burnout in education, right, because being a service provider is hard.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah Well, even like our online entrepreneurs entrepreneurs like they're like that any I I find a lot of women entrepreneurs in general will under charge and then because they don't really uh, I don't really know like how to word it exactly but they don't want to overcharge because of the fear that they're not really worth that amount, right, especially when they're comparing themselves to other people who maybe seem like they're doing better.
Dr. Danielle Angela:But that's just like a facade of social media doing better, but that's just like a facade of social media. Totally yes. So that's one of the other factors, right, in regard to setting our fees maybe at where other people in our industry are at, or even below where they are at, so that it's an easy yes. When you tell your fees to a potential new client, they're like oh, you're cheaper than the other person. Oh, okay, but that doesn't necessarily set someone up for success as a client or a patient or customer. We hope that it does, but it doesn't necessarily create an environment where they're invested in what they're receiving from you and the work that they're doing with you. And it's cheap. So hey, if it doesn't work, not a big deal.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah, Often I find I have found that the clients who haven't really paid as much are the hardest clients to work with, so, um, and they want the most, and they burn you out the fastest. Um and so, and so I think that it's. It would be better if service providers knew how to charge their worth. So what do you? Do you have any recommendations on how someone would be able to like figure out their value versus just making a list and comparing themselves to everyone else in their market?
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yeah, yes, well, I mean, let's start with what not to do, right, don't compare your fees. You might look at what other people are charging in your market or in your industry, sure, as sort of a baseline, but I don't recommend using that as a like a metric to really decide what your fees are, because you might have children and they don't. They might have all day to work or love working all day. They might have a constitution that just allows them to have a really long work day and work five or six or seven days a week. Well, yours may not be like that. There's a lot of variables, right For me, every time I had another child, I was like my fees have to increase.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Now my time has become so much more valuable because I now have another child I need to give my time and energy and attention to. So that means I need to see fewer clients and be more available for my kids. But in order to make the income that I want to make, I need to increase my fees. So I just did that every time that I had um, every time I had another baby, and I've done it several times since, you know cause? My youngest is six years old Um, so we don't want to compare and set our fees based upon what other people are doing. You don't know if they're profitable, that's true.
Rita Suzanne:And really like what they're offering in that service, right, like what they're actually delivering could not even be comparable to what you're offering. Really keep your eyes on your own paper, like I always do this, and and I say yes, do a little bit of competitor, like market research. But once you do that, really don't don't indulge in it, because what I find happens is the they're over there like, oh, this person has this new offer, now I have to create a new offer. This person has this new shiny thing, now I have to do this thing offer. This person has this new shiny thing, now I have to do this thing. And then they're constantly trying to keep pace with everyone else instead of focusing on what they're best at, and then they're not able to really shine and then they become burnt out a lot faster, right, because they're again trying to keep pace with everybody else.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yeah, yeah. Or increase their income by squeezing more clients into their schedule, which is, again, it's just exhausting. So what do we want to do instead? We want to start with what is the income that you would actually want to be earning? What does it cost to cover your expenses, both personally and in your business?
Dr. Danielle Angela:If you're a solo practitioner, it's generally pretty easy to figure out From there. How much time do you actually have available to be in direct service to your customers? But I want you to also account for the things that you need and want to be doing for yourself, to replenish yourself, so that you don't find yourself in that place of feeling like, well, I took on all these clients and now I have no time to do what I need to be doing, to recharge myself, to be available to all these clients. It's a slippery slope. So really make sure that you've accounted for how much time you want to spend with your family. How much time do you want to spend, whether it's going to the gym or going for walks or cooking healthy food at home.
Dr. Danielle Angela:We forget that we get to do these things as business owners. One of the main reasons we chose to be a business owner is for the freedom that can come along with it the time freedom right. So account for all those things before you decide. How much time do you really have available to be in direct service to your clients? And also remember that you've got to do the other things to grow the business and build awareness, brand awareness and marketing and all the things Right. Plus, not to mention, completing your tax return and staying on top of your monthly bookkeeping All of it needs to be trained for.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yeah, Suddenly you find that you have a lot less time than what you think that you do to be working in your business. So we can just kind of take the math and reverse engineer it right Start with what you really truly want to be earning and how much time do you have available to earn that amount of money. And I have a worksheet that helps people go through this. It's really like when you see it. If you're a visual person, like I am, it's really quick and easy to do and it's a big eye opening, especially for service providers who have been doing what we've just said not to do. They've been basing their fees on like what's usual in their industry or what are their competitors charging. They start to realize really quickly why they feel so overwhelmed.
Rita Suzanne:Right, and and that I think that's the biggest cause. I think that you know, burnout is just so serious especially for moms, right, because you you know like your health is just so important and we just will sacrifice everything sometimes and it's just not worth it. And so, like really figuring out, charging your worth is like something that people say all the time, but I don't think that it's something that people actually implement and do. And especially when you're in those periods of downtime, they get really scared right, the money mindset starts to kick in and they just really don't know what to do. So I think using a worksheet like yours can help them to see in a more like logical way of where you know what actual time that they have available.
Rita Suzanne:And I've fallen into like this in the past, not necessarily with services, but with scheduling, my podcast, right. So I've done where I've said you know like I'm, I'm back with my podcast and then I'll like schedule, schedule, schedule, schedule, and then I will do the calls. But I would get so overwhelmed that I wasn't posting all of them or, you know, I would get so much and I was just like I just can't do this because I would burn myself out from all of the time that I was spending on all of the calls, and so I learned my lesson. I was like I can't do this. I have to actually like interview and then share, interview and share, interview and share, and so you know, to make it actually worth it, versus, you know, trying to, I guess, like bundle it up or like hold on to them in some way. So I feel like you, you kind of figure it out and you know find what works best for you, but a lot of times, like only after you've burnt out.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Right, like only after we have hit some kind of rock bottom in a sense, do we then know, okay, what actually, what is it that I actually do want and what's not working? What do I want instead? I was just talking with someone else about that this morning. You know from like the chiropractic lens of you know, treating patients that come with chronic back pain or migraines, whatever it might be. They generally don't show up until they're hurting, and they've been hurting in some cases for a long time. In the ideal scenario, they'd be coming to us before they're in a situation where they've been having migraines every day for three months or three years or 30 years sometimes.
Dr. Danielle Angela:But that's not like what motivates us. We're not motivated by prevention, we're motivated by resolving a pain or a problem, right, so yeah, if you, if, if someone that's listening finds themselves, you know, identifying with, like feeling burned out, feeling constantly overwhelmed, just know that it's okay. It doesn't mean that you're you're broken or you're doing something wrong. It's just kind of a process that we all go through and even you know, in the past and I've considered myself an expert in quotes of like productivity and time management there have been multiple phases of my life where I've felt like I'm out of balance or I need to make the changes I teach other people how to make so that I'm able to continue to do what I'm doing for the long term. And you know that, rita, because I just shared with you last week like I'm in this whole new phase of trying to figure out how to balance my time with my children, when they're only with me 50% of the time with my children when they're only with me 50% of the time.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah, it's really tough. I had an interview with somebody earlier and I shared this analogy, and I'm going to share it again because I think that it actually fits here as well, and I think that it's an important one. And so have you heard the analogy of the cow and the lion? I don't think so. So it goes into a lot of the hustle culture that a lot of women, entrepreneurs especially, feed into, and so the analogy is similar to like the way that the cows seek after their food is they're constantly grazing Right, and that's the, if you will, the hustle mentality. You're constantly graze, graze, graze, graze, graze, and so the objective is actually to be more like the lion, right To where you actually are resting. That's what the lion does. Like the lion right To where you actually are resting. That's what the lion does.
Rita Suzanne:The lion is not constantly walking around looking for prey, looking to see what they're going to do. They're resting, they're in waiting, right, they're lying in wait, and then when they see their prey, that's when they expend the energy and they go after their prey, and so I feel like that's what more women need to actually do is to actually be the lion instead of the cow, right, because then you get the break. You're lying in wait, you're resting, your brain is going to be time to to recoup, your body has time to recoup and now you can be ready when it's time to go. You're ready, versus the cow who's constantly just expending that energy. Just you know so.
Dr. Danielle Angela:There's a great book on this subject called why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers.
Dr. Danielle Angela:The title might seem a little bit off topic, but it's really about the same kind of principle that we need a lot more rest in what we think that we do and don't we have, especially in today's society.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Now more than ever, we have things that are constantly in front of us, like we always have a stressor in front of us if we allow that to happen. If we allow that to happen, we're not designed or we haven't evolved to catch up to that lifestyle yet, and it affects our nervous system, our endocrine system, and eventually causes chronic health issues of all kinds. And we wonder why we're so sick as a society but we're not addressing the root cause, that we're not truly giving ourselves enough rest. We can do all of the other things, but rest is such a huge part of the equation and it's probably the hardest thing for us to allow ourselves to do so. Anyways, why zebras don't get ulcers is a really, really good book for anyone that needs more of like the the technical aspects of why you need more rest than you think that you do.
Rita Suzanne:Which I think is important because, like we've been as especially as moms, like we're trained to just be on the go right, like we're on the go for our kids, for our partner, for our business, you know, especially as business owners, and then finally hopefully a little bit for ourselves, especially as business owners, and then finally hopefully a little bit for ourselves, and it's like go, go, go, go, go, go go, and we don't have the time to rest and recoup and that's what results in the burnout.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yeah totally.
Rita Suzanne:In addition to working extra hard and getting underpaid. Yes, yeah.
Dr. Danielle Angela:So really it brings the conversation full circle because when you're charging more than maybe what you think that you should be initially, at least it allows you to have a lighter client schedule or client load, which also then again creates more time, allows more time for you to be able to rest or just like go at a slower pace. And it's kind of counterculture to approach business that way, because also culture is like as many people as possible, right. But this is a different approach. It's like actually I'll take fewer people but earn more per client or customer or patient, and let that be okay yeah, I think that if we did that, then it would be easier.
Rita Suzanne:and and just realize that maybe your pricing isn't the the right price for everyone, but there are clients that are willing to pay them and you just have to connect with them and and once you do, then you know you'll. You'll have clients, you just got to find them.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Exactly, yeah, when I started coaching in my own business back in 2017 was really when I was like offering coaching packages. Um, I think I was charging like $3,000 for six months and that was like 12 sessions in six months of time. Now I charge five times that much. I charge $15,000 for six months of working with me one-to-one. I would have never thought that I could do that. I would have never thought back in 2017 that I could have a conversation with a potential new client and tell them my fees were $15,000 to work with me for six months.
Dr. Danielle Angela:But I just kept incrementally increasing my fees as I developed more confidence in my skillset and also saw the results that my clients were getting. And what's also happened is that in 2017, 18, 19, even as recently as 2022, I had like 24 clients that I was working with at a time, and that's a lot. But my brain was so conditioned to see it as like just normal to fill my schedule with people that I just kept pushing myself to do it. That I just kept pushing myself to do it. And it was over the last couple of years that I was like this is not how I want to do this anymore. I didn't even feel like I was offering the best service to my clients when I was like moving from one session to the next session, to the next session, to the next session, to the next session.
Rita Suzanne:You know, six straight hours to the next session. You know six straight hours Right, your brain is just like tired.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yes, yeah. So I just share that as an example. You know that, like what you, where you think you are right now and what you think might be possible for you are two different things. I didn't think that I would ever be able to charge the fees that I charge now. I just thought that that was crazy.
Rita Suzanne:Right, be able to charge the fees that I charge. Now, I just thought that that was crazy, right, and I think that, yeah, I think it's important to realize that you can charge whatever you want, right, it's your business. You have the freedom to make it however you want. You just have to position it in a way that works for you. Yes, yeah, that's exactly it. You, yes.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yeah, that's exactly it.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah, so let's move on and let's talk about so. Something I've recently been adding on and kind of talking more about is what tools. It could be app, it could be software, it could be something, anything that you're using in your business that is kind of helping you streamline, optimize, function better, like what can you recommend to the audience that you're loving right now?
Dr. Danielle Angela:I really love Stripe and it's to me it's more than just a payment processor. I've been using Stripe since 2016. And, frankly, there was a time period in 2021, where, at the advice of my bookkeeper at that time, I moved to a different payment processor platform and it was a disaster. It was, yes, potentially going to save us some money in credit card processing fees, but it cost me an arm and a leg and a team member, right, because I was having my assistant at that time like work through all these issues that were coming up with this new payment processor that, frankly, just wasn't equipped to handle business the way that we did it.
Dr. Danielle Angela:I had a membership program that had lots of payments coming in every month as well, as I had a launch of a course and we collected. I think it was around $83,000 one month and they were like is this legit? Like last month, you collected, I think it was like 20, 25,000. I'm like, yeah, we just had a course launch. This is just like the normal course of business for us, but they withheld funds for three weeks because they wanted to verify it.
Dr. Danielle Angela:We weren't going to have like chargebacks or there wasn't some kind of some kind of fraud that had happened from our business. That did not feel good and I had never't some kind of fraud that had happened from our business. That did not feel good and I had never had any kind of issue like that happen with Stripe. But one of the reasons that I still really like Stripe now is, even as a solo entrepreneur right now, for the last year I've not had any team members. I find it really easy to just be able to like have a conversation with someone and create a custom package for them and then go to Stripe, create a link and then just send that link to the new client and they can. It's like so easy.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah, I use Stripe too and I've been using it for, like, custom payment things, like really simple payments. But it's also connected to my QuickBooks for, like, my regular invoicing and all of that stuff. So I use it and then I use Zapier to automate like any transactions that I get inside of Stripe. They automatically go into QuickBooks for me so that I don't have to manually do them. So that's a little like automation bonus for you. Yes, okay, so let's also talk about we. You already gave us the zebra book, but let's talk about what are you reading or listening to? Now that and it doesn't have to be a business thing, but what are you listening to or reading?
Dr. Danielle Angela:now. I'm currently just starting a book called Creating a Life that Matters, and I'm so early into it that I'm not quite sure yet if I love it or not. Over the last several months, though, I've been, I've been learning a lot about relationships and attachment styles from a few different podcasts and YouTube channels, and I think this is a topic that everyone should know about, and I'm really shocked at how I got to, like 43 years old, two marriages and also a degree in social work. My bachelor's degree is in social work, and I didn't know about attachment styles. It has made a huge difference for me in understanding how I relate to not only my significant other, but also my children too.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah, it's very interesting some stuff on it, but not enough to really speak about it, but it is very interesting to see the ways. And then you're like oh, I know somebody, just like that, you know, or that's me, yeah. So the last thing is always, I want to always, always, always know about self-care because, as you know and everybody knows, I started this podcast because I wasn't doing a good job at taking care of me. So I love to know how you are taking care of you, what are you doing just for you, danielle?
Dr. Danielle Angela:Well, I have things that I do on a consistent basis that are just for me, but they also benefit everyone else around me because I'm better when I do them. I lift weights four times a week. I get a massage at least once a month, ideally twice. That feels like really indulgent when I do it twice, but I notice a difference when I go down to one time a month. I read I take walks. I. I read I take walks. Um, I have certain supplements I take. I see a nutrition response practitioner who has me, like um, change my supplement protocol based upon my body's needs at the time.
Dr. Danielle Angela:But the thing that is really the most important for me is spending time by myself. That's where I like really emotionally recharged and, honestly, also over the last year to two years since my second divorce and having children in that divorce was a whole different experience in my first, where we didn't have children, spending time alone is also like where I really work through the stuff that I need to heal is also like where I really work through the stuff that I need to heal. That doesn't happen well when my children are around, and so really prioritizing time that I'm by myself, not time that I'm home alone because I'm working here at home, but, like truly, just doing nothing is yeah, so you can reflect and, like, really just work through some of the issues, because I get that.
Rita Suzanne:You know I was, I've been divorced twice and it is, um, it's a lot, it's a, it's a big process. So, um, where can everyone find you, where are you at online and where can they grab this um worksheet that you have?
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yeah, the best places to connect with me are on Instagram and Facebook. I'm Dr Danielle Angela in both of those places and then my website is also drdanielleangelacom. If you go to drdanielleangelacom forward slash formula, you'll get the worksheet that I mentioned, and it's a really quick process to just work you through. You might not feel ready to make changes in your fees right away, but that's okay. It at least helps you see what's possible for you and then you can start working for those changes in the future.
Rita Suzanne:Yeah, I agree. Thank you so much for being a guest. It's been a pleasure.
Dr. Danielle Angela:Yeah, thank you for having me, it's been fun.
